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What is a good ratio for bagels?

by Roy
(Colorado Springs, CO)

I have tried about 10 different recipes for bagels (yes, I used a recipe) and each gave me a wide variation on texture. It seems they should be more dense than plain bread but I can't seem to get it right. Any suggestions?

Chef Todd Says:
I believe in artistic interpretation when cooking, but baking recipes are actually formulas, and the slightest variations can change the outcome. While ratios of ingredients are important in baking, the process you employ can also change the outcome, given the exact same ingredients.

With bagel baking, mixing and proofing are the most critical steps. My household bagel formula is:
1 package (2 1/2tsp) active dry yeast
3 tsp brown sugar
1 1/2 cups warm water
1 Tbsp salt
4 cups bread flour

Follow my video on yeast breads (http://www.i-hate-cooking-recipes.com/baking-bread.html)and let the dough rise to twice its size.

Portion and form the bagels, let them double in size.

MOST IMPORTANT PART OF BAGEL MAKING: The bagels are now "poached" in a base liquid. In the commercial kitchen, lye is used. At home, baking soda should be added to boiling water and the bagels poached for 1 minute on both sides to promote crust formation and kill most of the yeast, giving a more dense structure.

The poached bagels are cooled, egg washed, topped with garnish, and baked in a very hot oven. Where yeast breads rise considerably in the oven, bagels change shape much less.

So, I'm unsure if the formula is the issue. It sounds like you are baking French Bread Donuts if you're not giving your bagels a hot water bath before baking.

Chef Todd.

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What is a good ratio for bagels?

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Jun 20, 2011
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the 24 hour bagel is heavenly.
by: Bagel Man

Individual recipes vary somewhat, but the real key is in the preparation. Form the dough into bagel shapes and let them proof until they float in room temperature water. Once they float, move them to the fridge for 24 hours. Take them out and let them warm at room temp. for an hour. Then they can be boiled or steam baked. The result of letting them sit in the fridge is a wonderful texture that just cant be rushed.

Jul 27, 2009
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Great recipe
by: Roy

I compared your recipe to the one I had that worked and they were identical. Yes, 18 oz flour for bread and 22 oz for bagels. I have also found that an overnight rise in the fridge makes for a more dense and flavorful bagel. Thanks, Chef Todd.
Also, adding a bit of cinnamon, vanilla and raisins made bagels that tasted far better than the bags of bagels I can get at Costco.

Jul 15, 2009
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More about bagels
by: Roy

Thanks, chef. There seemed to be a question as to how long to let it rise, over night in the fridge, or on the bench for a few hours, and how dense the dough should be. As far as boiling, all recipes call for boiling but what in was the question. I saw sugar, soda, lye and just plain water. And then how much to add and how long to boil. My first attempts gave me soggy bagels with no flavor.

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